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on this episode of skeptico

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the power of story

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you say

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i gotta get me a real geek

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he says

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ain't i doing okay you say like crap

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you're doing okay

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you can't draw a real crowd faking a

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geek you're through

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and you walk off

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all the while you're talking he's

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thinking about sobering up

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getting the crawling shakes screaming

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you give them time to think that over

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the hands

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you throw on the chicken

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you geek

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and how it may be being used against us

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this is exactly what the transhumanists

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are doing they're harnessing our

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informational predilections shall we say

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to try and tell a compelling story to

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push our species in directions i do not

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[Music]

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that first clip was from nightmare alley

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william defoe still got it

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and the second one was from today's

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guest dr rob williams who

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you may remember was on a few weeks ago

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but he's back to talk about his book

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beings human

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and about a lot of other stuff that you

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won't relate to this intro

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until you really think about it

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welcome to skeptica where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers

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and their critics i'm your host alex

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karis and today we welcome back

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dr rob williams to skeptico

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a few weeks ago if you recall

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rob was nice enough to invite me on his

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and i really really enjoyed the

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conversation that he and brandon and i

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we wanted to go further and we will go

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and today is going to be kind of a first

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step in that we're going to talk about

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rob's new book that he sent me

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being human

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a most miraculous conspiracy

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we're also going to talk about his very

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very interesting work at the peak flow a

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wellness company that he co-founded and

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if you recall from the first

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rob really makes some

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amazing connections that i really

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appreciate and we're gonna get back into

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between breath

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and health and spirituality but also

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maybe some connections that you wouldn't

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normally associate and dr rob does those

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quite beautifully and quite convincingly

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not just uh kind of fluffy stuff

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what else of course he has a very

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distinguished academic career at the

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subjects including environmental history

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where he got his phd a few years back

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and uh what else who knows who knows

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what else we'll get into rob is one of

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these people and you'll see from this

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uh he's just so full of life so full of

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energy and

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brings forth this light and energy with

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them it's just a gift and a joy to talk

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to someone like this and i love the

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perspective he brings to

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rob to convince him not to secede and

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vermont and his cohorts out of the union

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because we need you buddy we we we need

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you rob thanks for joining me man it's

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great to have you here

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alex it's so good to be back with you

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well me too let's start you know it's

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kind of a natural place to start and a

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good place to start

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with the book that you sent me

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tell us about the book

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yeah i love you so begin with the title

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it's actually beings human

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as a as a miracle we have become

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that we are a species that thrives when

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seemed to me um appropriate here and

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you know it could have gone evolution

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folks listening and i think we're at a

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species which i write about in the book

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conspiracy and let me say one more thing

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the rest of the planet and when you

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it suddenly really opens up

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possibility it opens up mystery

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skeptical so you know that this is all

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i don't see what's there you know it's

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creatures and look how they are

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going well let me meet with people

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don't know what the evolution means

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bruce fenton and he has a much better

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idea of what happened 300 000 years ago

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decoding is really telling us about

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quote-unquote evolution and it doesn't

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darwinian element of truth to it but

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neo-darwinism doesn't get you there so

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there's a big question mark but back to

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embodies all that and then what i loved

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rob like i feel like i know you man is

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like here's a guy and he's not only a

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yak farmer but he's got a freaking yak

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push cart where you can get a yak burger

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yak burger but he's like this is cool

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you think it through like so many few

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to put it right in your face to think it

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and then finally

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the the covet thing hits and what does

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rob do

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jump in the car and do a two-week

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cross-country tour you hit all these

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places i don't know how you guys of all

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these yak farmers in the in the united

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states and you you're an incredible

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writer you write this uh travel journal

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that's just a page turner and that's

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like one small part of this book so

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i i'm just trying to pull you in here

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buddy but tell me about your yak

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experience and how that fits into

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beings human

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yeah sure so let me just say the book

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beings human a most miraculous

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conspiracy is divided into six ch six

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chapters in three parts and

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chapter two the yak chapter is

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simultaneously alex the most developed

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and least developed element in the book

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because

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um that chapter is based on field notes

311
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um from my 15 years of experience with

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the acts in very rough form

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so it reads as you said and i meant it

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to read in its current draft as a travel

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journal someday it will be its own book

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i'm in no rush i enjoy the acts of

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traveling so why rush it

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but yes the yaks have taught me so much

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about

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what it means to be human

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when you're in the presence of another

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species and you begin to

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humble yourselves let's say humble

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yourself before

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that species and the way that yaks

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carry themselves in the world and you

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can do this with any species i just

328
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happen to you know uh find myself in the

329
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company of yaks um you begin to realize

330
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again how little we know

331
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and how little we understand about the

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world

333
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and there's a beautiful phrase i use it

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in the book life by the horns is the

335
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working title

336
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uh of the of the yak book life by the

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horns

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um

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what we might learn from the yak

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is the subtitle

341
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and there's this beautiful phrase used

342
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by to your point about enviro

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early cybernetics there was a a

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german-born

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biologist by the name of jacob

346
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i think how you say his name who coined

347
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this term called the umvelt

348
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and the umvelt means seeing the world

349
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through the eyes of another species or

350
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not through the eyes of through the

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experience of another species so i tried

352
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to bring a little umveltian perspective

353
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to

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this book

355
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i'm working on about yaks and then i

356
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realized wait a minute

357
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there are an infinite number

358
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work with me here of species on the

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planet and every one of them

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is

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moving through the world

362
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each in

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its own way

364
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and again what a what a what a beautiful

365
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and kind of humbling

366
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epiphany to have it's like wow

367
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and you know we think humans are a

368
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fairly diverse bunch and you know if we

369
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want to get into evolution and talk

370
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about

371
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sapiens and denisovans and neanderthal

372
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and all the other homo

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hominids that kind of you know kind of

374
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slept and fought and collaborated their

375
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way across the pages of the planet over

376
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the past

377
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however many years

378
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um again back to this miraculous

379
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conspiracy here we are

380
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as humans you for for whatever reasons

381
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that are still i think you're right a

382
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bit mysterious like the evolutionary

383
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folk think they have it all figured out

384
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but it's like no

385
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no they we don't at all actually

386
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um so so that's what i'm trying to do

387
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with the yaks is just sort of bow down

388
00:15:03,030 --> 00:15:01,839
before these magnificent creatures and

389
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have them

390
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help me and and my readers understand a

391
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bit about

392
00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:08,320
what it means to be human seeing the

393
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world through their experience so rob

394
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:14,000
when i read that and when i hear you

395
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i'm going to places that connects your

396
00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,040
work

397
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in ways that i think you are connecting

398
00:15:25,189 --> 00:15:21,600
it but i don't always hear you

399
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:25,199
connecting explicitly like you have this

400
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whole

401
00:15:29,949 --> 00:15:27,519
you're like a guy with a million

402
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projects here's another one our

403
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,639
geoengineering age no i mean you you

404
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:34,639
laugh but i mean this is like you are

405
00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:38,160
uniquely qualified to talk about uh

406
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:41,680
chemtrails in in vermont that you see

407
00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:44,079
and experience and then you're qualified

408
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:47,680
scientifically to say no there's a real

409
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,959
realness to geoengineering and actually

410
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:52,240
anyone who's even just read the

411
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,240
scientific literature i mean these guys

412
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:56,000
haven't hidden it they've published that

413
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:58,720
part too in geo engineering and you are

414
00:16:05,030 --> 00:16:01,360
not totally making the connection that i

415
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:05,040
am explicitly between that and this idea

416
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,560
of let me jab you in the arm and

417
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:11,199
make you a part of this uh dna gene

418
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,160
therapy gene reprogramming experiment

419
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:17,040
and what that means for the yak and what

420
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:18,560
that means for

421
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,720
darwinian evolution and alex i should

422
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,279
say too the book i just put the book up

423
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:25,120
like a couple of weeks ago and i so

424
00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:26,399
appreciate you

425
00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:27,920
taking the time to read it in this

426
00:16:31,910 --> 00:16:29,680
conversation because i haven't really

427
00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,920
shared it publicly much

428
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,079
at all and i send it to you because i

429
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,000
respect you and i really appreciated our

430
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:38,480
first conversation so let's if if you

431
00:16:43,269 --> 00:16:40,880
want to pull up the book cover again

432
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,279
let's just unpack the sub subtitle for a

433
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:44,800
moment because i think that directly

434
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:46,000
deals with

435
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:48,000
your question the sub-subtitle of the

436
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:49,120
book is

437
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:52,639
transcending human racism

438
00:16:56,230 --> 00:16:53,680
with

439
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:56,240
curiosity

440
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,839
compassion

441
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:59,440
conviction

442
00:17:01,430 --> 00:17:00,160
and

443
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,440
courage

444
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:03,040
so you just connected some dots here and

445
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,160
let's back up there because that's

446
00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,079
important you connected what's happening

447
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:08,319
in our skies overhead in a systematic

448
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:09,120
way

449
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:11,600
with what's happening to the cells of

450
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,839
our bodies to those who have let it be

451
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,880
so

452
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,079
um and

453
00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:17,280
i think

454
00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:20,160
to to get a little bit dark for a minute

455
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:21,919
i think that there is

456
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:24,959
for team human for homo sapiens there is

457
00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:27,679
an assault being waged on the species

458
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:29,600
right now and not just on our species

459
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:32,000
alex but on this beautiful planet that

460
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:35,600
we live in and live on and that assault

461
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,559
is happening at the cellular level

462
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:40,640
it's happening at the stratospheric

463
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:41,840
level

464
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,880
and it's happening everywhere in between

465
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:47,360
and the message we are being told alex

466
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,280
is that humans as a species are a virus

467
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,559
we are a scourge on the earth we are a

468
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,720
plague i mean i've heard these words

469
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,080
come out of the mouths of dear friends

470
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,240
of mine at cocktail parties right over

471
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:01,760
the past couple of years

472
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:05,200
it is a form of species side

473
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:09,919
like suicide but at a species-wide level

474
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,760
and i just find it so strange alex that

475
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:15,679
we the most successful species on the

476
00:18:19,669 --> 00:18:18,880
planet and we have work to do of course

477
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:19,679
um

478
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:21,760
but we as a species are letting

479
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:24,160
ourselves particularly in the west if

480
00:18:26,789 --> 00:18:25,200
you will

481
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,799
where we have i think

482
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:28,799
for the past several hundred years

483
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:30,160
celebrated

484
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,240
liberty's freedoms

485
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,799
we've tried to optimize the species as

486
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,799
best we can

487
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,799
to balance as we say in vermont our

488
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,600
vermont state motto human freedom

489
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:43,360
with human unity

490
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:44,880
a motto here in the state of vermont is

491
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,440
freedom and unity right we've had a

492
00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:49,200
whole lot of unity with the covatopian

493
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:51,600
situation not a whole lot of freedom

494
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:52,400
so

495
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:54,640
this is what we're up against i'm afraid

496
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,760
is this kind of what i call human racism

497
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,320
we hear a lot about racism right which i

498
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:01,840
think is interesting but

499
00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:04,400
there is this narrative

500
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,039
assault on the species

501
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:11,669
the other thing that's happening there

502
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,919
alex is um

503
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,440
and i know you'll appreciate this there

504
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,000
are sort of multiple psychological

505
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,960
operations happening all at one time

506
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:22,400
i'm sure you're familiar with the work

507
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:25,039
of james corbett from the sunny climbs

508
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,480
of western japan

509
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,240
um james and i spoke a few months ago

510
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:31,440
for the first time and he uh he coined a

511
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:35,039
phrase called fifth generation warfare

512
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,320
which is what i'm talking about here

513
00:19:41,549 --> 00:19:39,840
this kind of multiple site psyops

514
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,559
that constitute sort of a an

515
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,160
unprecedented narrative assault on the

516
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,080
species right

517
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,840
um and again we see this in the

518
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,919
so-called climate change conversation we

519
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,600
see this in the so-called covid

520
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,360
conversation we see this in the

521
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:55,360
so-called um you know

522
00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:58,880
racism or capitalism conversations right

523
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:02,480
okay so so rob i'm with you for example

524
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:06,640
to connect climate to transhumanism

525
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,039
and globalism

526
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,159
is not an easy step for people to make

527
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:14,880
yeah sure as an environmental historian

528
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:17,760
by training alex i'm very interested in

529
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,720
where

530
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,640
environmental

531
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,600
narratives and explanations come from

532
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:25,840
and there's a whole history of the

533
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:29,200
emergence of the official climate change

534
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,240
narrative

535
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,240
that can be traced back to the creation

536
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,559
of the united nations in the 1940s and

537
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,480
then the so-called intergovernmental

538
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,480
panel on climate change

539
00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:40,799
in the 1980s and 90s

540
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,039
and it should also be noted that there

541
00:20:48,029 --> 00:20:45,840
are on record thousands and thousands

542
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,039
and thousands of scientists

543
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,039
climatologists etc etc etc

544
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,280
who are calling out

545
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:55,840
the nonsense of this official

546
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,799
narrative that that carbon

547
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:02,159
is causing you know anthropogenic carbon

548
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,640
is is the prime driver

549
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,960
of the warming of the planet

550
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:09,280
right in the same way alex let's connect

551
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,960
a few dots here there are thousands and

552
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,120
thousands and thousands of scientists

553
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,039
and epidemiologists and virologists and

554
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:17,600
doctors who are calling out the nonsense

555
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,039
of the official covid narrative

556
00:21:25,110 --> 00:21:23,520
and not coincidentally alex the folks

557
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,120
that brought you the official climate

558
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:27,200
change narrative are more or less the

559
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:28,559
same folks

560
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,240
who brought you the cobatopian narrative

561
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:33,919
and the connection there

562
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,440
is that you should surrender your rights

563
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:39,520
in order to

564
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:46,000
be controlled more easily readily by

565
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:46,880
some

566
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,760
higher power on earth here and you know

567
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,960
the other point that i always want to

568
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,320
make because

569
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:55,039
it's been so fogged in people's mind to

570
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,240
use a climate term but like you

571
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,559
immediately went to the carbon issue

572
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,240
i am still amazed at how many people

573
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,720
have lost sight of that so how have you

574
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,960
walked that path with your friends and

575
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,640
your colleagues in academia i mean

576
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,880
that's a tough road to hoe right there

577
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,799
it really is and there's a whole

578
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,679
industry globally of research and

579
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,679
funding and this is part of the game

580
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,520
alex as i know you know

581
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,960
around

582
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:23,120
supporting buttressing if you will this

583
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:25,039
official narrative and once you're in

584
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,280
that game and you depend on that game

585
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:29,280
for your bread and butter alex

586
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,640
it's very hard to extricate yourself

587
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,520
from that game and let me say one more

588
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,000
thing about carbon

589
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,760
we talked about this i think last time

590
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,400
just a little bit but we are all we are

591
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:45,360
carbon based life forms

592
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,440
and carbon dioxide believe it or not um

593
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,919
and i say this as with my breath work

594
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,799
coach

595
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,840
and professor hat on carbon dioxide is

596
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:58,720
actually one of in many ways the most

597
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:01,840
important respiratory gas in our bodies

598
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,679
it's not oxygen

599
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,919
it's not the absence of oxygen that

600
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:08,799
forces us to breathe it's the presence

601
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,200
in our bodies of carbon dioxide

602
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:15,360
that triggers our body's

603
00:23:20,830 --> 00:23:18,400
desire to breathe 20 000 to 25 000 times

604
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:20,840
a day so these

605
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,039
people who are waging this kind of uh

606
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,280
human racist war if you will on this

607
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:29,039
species

608
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,159
are hell-bent on demonizing carbon and

609
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:34,960
carbon dioxide which is

610
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:38,000
in many ways one of the very foundations

611
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,720
of our lives and our breathing it's very

612
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,000
strange

613
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,120
well it's it's part of the method right

614
00:23:50,269 --> 00:23:47,120
part of the method is to

615
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,279
kind of create simplistic

616
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,440
understandings of complicated nuanced

617
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,400
topics so you're not saying that a

618
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,640
dramatic increase in carbon in our

619
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,919
environment

620
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,559
wouldn't have effects you know of course

621
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,120
it would that's never been the issue the

622
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,039
issue is

623
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:09,679
what is our relationship to carbon in

624
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,320
this more holistic sense but the leap

625
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:13,919
that they're making is this

626
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,960
transhumanist globalist agenda which is

627
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,000
now laid bare by the pandemic where it's

628
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,320
just clear it's like they're not even

629
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,799
hiding anymore it's like we want to

630
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,880
control more and more aspects of your

631
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,600
life to the point where a one world

632
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,600
government is not even

633
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,480
like discussed or debated it's just a

634
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,520
natural falling out of this and i i'm

635
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,120
probably touching on issues that should

636
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:42,799
be so basic to anyone but whenever a

637
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,480
problem quote unquote is put forth for

638
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,000
which the only solution apparently

639
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,480
is some kind of global

640
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:55,360
response the alarm bell should go off so

641
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,559
that's what connects climate with virus

642
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,279
it also connects it with e.t and the

643
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,000
phenomenon that is now public right yeah

644
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,080
they're trotting out the alien invasion

645
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:08,640
scenario to continue this

646
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:12,159
quest to to unify at a global level if

647
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,120
you will

648
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,039
right if the virus doesn't work and

649
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,600
climate change doesn't work and

650
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,000
you know woke uh woke topianism doesn't

651
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,200
work and

652
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,960
we always have the aliens to fall back

653
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,559
on yeah and this is why i'm a

654
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,279
secessionist i'm a decentralist alex

655
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,760
because really the the most powerful

656
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,000
antidote i think to this kind of

657
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,039
attempted centralized control

658
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,720
is to decentralize

659
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:38,880
and that begins with each of us as

660
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,840
individuals optimizing our minds our

661
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,520
bodies our spirits

662
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,840
and then conspiring with our fellow

663
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,240
humans and the rest of the species we

664
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,240
find ourselves living with

665
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,720
to try and optimize the places where we

666
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:54,000
live

667
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:55,200
locally

668
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:56,559
right and that's not to say that we

669
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,919
don't of course

670
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,080
carry on this global conversation that

671
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,080
is so important right now i think as we

672
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,760
stare this

673
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:06,320
uh this monster

674
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,320
in the face right and you you called it

675
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,520
out earlier this desire to turn humans

676
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,000
into trans humans

677
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,679
and we should talk more about the

678
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,960
implications

679
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,440
well let's talk about it right now but i

680
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,760
think it's more than the implications

681
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,520
because

682
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,799
and this is where i think we get hung up

683
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,880
and the discussion i think falls flat

684
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,480
sometimes or turns in a way that it

685
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,840
shouldn't you know i recently had an

686
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:34,000
interview with dr dean rayden and i keep

687
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,840
referencing this interview because i was

688
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,480
so blown away he's so phenomenal and

689
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,320
what he's done and the work that he's

690
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,240
done in parapsychology and particularly

691
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,840
the work that he's done

692
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:44,720
in

693
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,279
we aren't really even here anyway so

694
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,279
what does it matter which is a key part

695
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,760
of the transhumanism agenda that is the

696
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,919
you are a biological robot in a

697
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,840
meaningless universe and if you think

698
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,159
about it philosophically in a lot of

699
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:02,159
ways that's the cornerstone to

700
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:05,760
transhumanism you're not real because if

701
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,120
you are more if you are this spiritual

702
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,440
being however you understand that to be

703
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,480
then you're much less likely to kind of

704
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,320
just fall for all this stuff you just

705
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,320
don't do it

706
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:20,240
you're right alex central to an

707
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,080
understanding of this current

708
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,000
historical

709
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,679
civilizational some might say

710
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,640
evolutionary moment is

711
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,880
this question of transhumanism and i

712
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,720
write about this in the book beings

713
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,159
human a most miraculous conspiracy

714
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:40,480
the american poet wendell berry has this

715
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,559
beautiful moment

716
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,840
in perhaps his most important single

717
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:47,120
book

718
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:52,640
where he's writing about the problems of

719
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,520
giving our lives over to reductionist

720
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,120
science

721
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,440
and the book he writes wendell the poet

722
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,080
is a direct critique of harvard

723
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,640
entomologist eo wilson's

724
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,159
consilience

725
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:08,880
theory that science wilson at harvard

726
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,000
argued should be the unifying matrix for

727
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,039
understanding everything

728
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,760
which of course is terrifying um and and

729
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,159
barry warned about this the great uh

730
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,720
christian theologian c.s lewis

731
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,200
famously warned about this for decades

732
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:27,840
um in his writings and i i could go on

733
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,600
but the the wendell berry writes in life

734
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,880
is beautiful

735
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,200
in the middle of critiquing e.o wilson's

736
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,120
conciliance theory he

737
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,559
he says i can imagine

738
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,840
in the not too distant

739
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:45,679
future humans having to choose between

740
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,120
living as creatures and living as

741
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,200
machines

742
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,880
and this to me is the fundamental

743
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,600
question of our moment alex will we

744
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,279
as team human

745
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,919
choose to live as creatures

746
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,440
think about what that word means

747
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,679
creatures with a creator

748
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,240
whatever that means to you

749
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,720
and obligations perhaps to the other

750
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,159
creatures

751
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:12,000
on our planet we find ourselves in the

752
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,200
midst of or will we as the

753
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,159
transhumanists wish

754
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,919
will we choose

755
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,120
to live

756
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,760
as machines creatures or machines alex

757
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,279
and will there come a point when we're

758
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,200
not given the choice

759
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,600
so this is a very serious i think

760
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,679
crossroads

761
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:32,159
for us and most people don't think quite

762
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,039
get it

763
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,520
but but let me just say that

764
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,080
if there's one person to watch in this

765
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:40,720
matrix it's the public intellectual

766
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,760
yuval noah harari

767
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,240
who wrote don't go there rob don't go

768
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,440
there

769
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,880
well let me just say something about

770
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,120
harare and then we can we can we can we

771
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,840
can go yeah you know harare wrote a

772
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,760
best-selling book called sapiens i'm

773
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,840
sure your listeners your viewers are

774
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,960
familiar

775
00:30:02,950 --> 00:30:00,960
and the thesis of that book is that

776
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,960
humans became the most successful

777
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,200
species on the planet because we

778
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,559
cultivated the ability to collaborate

779
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,840
flexibly

780
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:11,840
in large groups

781
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,960
around shared stories

782
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,240
and i happen to think he's on to

783
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:17,840
something with that thesis but of course

784
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,799
then

785
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,960
harare wrote two more books

786
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:23,120
homodeus

787
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:24,799
humans as gods

788
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:27,919
and his most recent book 24 21 lessons

789
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,720
for the 21st century and it emerged alex

790
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:32,559
that our friend

791
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,480
yuval noah harari is a transhumanist

792
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,480
and a dataist

793
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,679
disguised as a historian

794
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,080
let me play a clip rob this is from my

795
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,640
interview with dr gregory shushan

796
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:48,880
you don't have any answer in the bible

797
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,720
what to do when humans are no longer

798
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,120
useful to the economy you need

799
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:57,519
completely new ideologies completely new

800
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,640
religions

801
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,960
and they are likely to emerge from

802
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,559
silicon valley

803
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,240
everything that the old religions

804
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:05,519
promised

805
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:08,720
happiness and justice and even eternal

806
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,159
life but here on earth with the help of

807
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,519
technology and not after death with the

808
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,320
help of some supernatural being what are

809
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,720
humans for

810
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:23,039
as far as we know for nothing i mean

811
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:24,399
there is

812
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,000
great cosmic plane

813
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,799
that we have a role to play in it

814
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,360
uh this has been the story of

815
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,279
all religions and ideologies and so

816
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,080
forth but as a scientist the best i can

817
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:42,080
say this is not true

818
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,039
so

819
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,679
you all know harare is officially a

820
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,919
historian

821
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,080
what's so curious about him alex and

822
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,960
i've watched him very closely now since

823
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,960
the emergence of this covatopian

824
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,120
situation

825
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,559
it is clear

826
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,440
for reasons i don't understand

827
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,320
that either he has been recruited or has

828
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,440
volunteered to serve as the chief global

829
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,159
public intellectual

830
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:12,559
at the tip of this covetopian

831
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,480
transhumanist technocratic spear

832
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,279
and so when yuval noah harari parachutes

833
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,720
into davos

834
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,399
to talk with you know all the

835
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:23,760
billionaires who've flown in on their

836
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
private planes

837
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,120
to you know plan the future of the

838
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,640
species

839
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,840
or gets invited on any one of you know

840
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,399
hundreds hundreds of prominent talk

841
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,799
shows lectures whatever

842
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,960
it's very clear now alex that he is

843
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:41,440
using his position as a prominent

844
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,039
historian

845
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,039
speaking on behalf of the history of the

846
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:47,519
species to essentially throw us under

847
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,519
the bus

848
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,519
that's what he's doing and he's doing it

849
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,640
in the name of this new ism he calls

850
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:56,480
dataism

851
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,519
and this ideology of transhumanism that

852
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,200
we can use

853
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,760
through merging the species alex through

854
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,919
merging humans with

855
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,679
our machines

856
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:10,480
we can optimize the species

857
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,159
and solve the world's pressing problems

858
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,799
like oh i don't know viruses

859
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,080
epidemics

860
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:21,679
climate change racism the excesses of

861
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,120
capitalism patriarchy blah blah blah i

862
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,880
think it's deeper than this and i think

863
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,039
it's subtler than that and i think that

864
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,720
you know what i want to connect this to

865
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,559
as well is

866
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:34,240
you know i wasn't aware that you're a

867
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,200
christian and i read that in your book

868
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,640
and i want to explore that further i

869
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,640
don't want to do it in a way that you

870
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,279
know is too offensive because i would

871
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,279
naturally that would be my way of

872
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,919
talking about it i just do not respect

873
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,159
religious beliefs any more than i uh

874
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,279
respect it other intellectual beliefs

875
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,840
why should christians get a pass over

876
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,519
atheism i think

877
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,320
atheism is an absolutely absurd

878
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:02,880
proposition it's been falsified not only

879
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:06,240
philosophically but experimentally so

880
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:07,600
anyone who approaches me from a

881
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,560
christian perspective and they're into a

882
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,560
christ consciousness spiritually

883
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,440
transformative experience that is and i

884
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,440
don't know what that means but i take

885
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,760
that mean that they've had an experience

886
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,079
in an extended consciousness realm which

887
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,159
my research tells me it's real the guy

888
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,639
we just saw on camera uh dr gregory

889
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,040
shushan says when we look across culture

890
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,520
across time it definitely seems real in

891
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:33,440
all the ways that we'd measure it so i'm

892
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,240
open to christians in that way i am not

893
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,560
open to christians and they're goofy

894
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,119
christian apologetics who it is a soft

895
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,240
spot for them but i feel like christians

896
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,200
don't have a way of really

897
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,440
standing up against this

898
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,240
silliness that harare is pitching and as

899
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:54,480
you mentioned yes he is on 60 minutes

900
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,760
yes he is endorsed by barack obama

901
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,480
by other former presidents and yes he's

902
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,000
he's a a wonder child of zuckerman and

903
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,680
gates and all the rest these people and

904
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,880
he sold 30 million books not many people

905
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:10,720
can stand up to that

906
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,000
christians are fundamentally coming from

907
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,000
a more a less wrong position than harare

908
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,040
harare to use the cute phrase is not

909
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,240
even for not even wrong he's not even in

910
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,880
the ball game because he isn't uh

911
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,040
willing to acknowledge consciousness

912
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,520
that is that you are you that that voice

913
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,280
inside your head is real that you are

914
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,280
making choices that you have free will

915
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,599
he is not willing to go there and he's

916
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:40,320
using your religion

917
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:43,680
as a and the soft spots that it has as a

918
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,359
way of pulling the wagon he goes come on

919
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,680
you don't ever believe that christian

920
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,800
nonsense do you the smart team over here

921
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,280
the scientists i can't tell you your

922
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,520
life has meaning so there's no meaning

923
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,079
to your life this is the this is the

924
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,240
game that's being played

925
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,040
and it's not like he changed uniforms in

926
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:07,359
the middle of the game he's had that

927
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,680
uniform on the whole freaking time

928
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,520
yeah i would agree and you know to your

929
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,520
point about religion i

930
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,560
religion

931
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:19,839
um from the latin religare

932
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,880
which means to bind together i see the

933
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,599
role of religion in the human experience

934
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,880
as

935
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,310
protocols if you will or providing

936
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:37,349
i'll use the word stories

937
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,520
to help humans optimize mind body and

938
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:43,200
spirit and let me connect a few dots

939
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:44,000
here

940
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:45,680
in

941
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,079
my work

942
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:52,400
in the environmental history space i've

943
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,079
run across a beautiful book you may be

944
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,599
familiar with james nestor's book breath

945
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:59,839
the subtitle of which is the new science

946
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,599
of a lost art

947
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,920
and in this book breath nester

948
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:05,680
has a number of really beautiful

949
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,079
revelations about the human experience

950
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:10,000
and and breathing one of the most

951
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,680
profound is

952
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,920
his discovery that at the center of

953
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,240
every major religious tradition around

954
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,599
the world

955
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,800
eastern

956
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,920
western

957
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,760
indigenous

958
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:24,480
you will find at its core

959
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,800
a chant or a prayer or a mantra or a

960
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:30,960
song

961
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,640
that runs about 10 seconds in length

962
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:37,040
which as it turns out science reveals

963
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:37,839
now

964
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:41,040
is the optimal length of time for an

965
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,480
inhale

966
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,800
and an exhale of the breath

967
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,800
it's it's what we call coherence

968
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,320
breathing

969
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,920
in in the breath work world so let me

970
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,359
give you an example

971
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,440
so i'm chasing yaks up in the himalayas

972
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,839
right and i wander into these buddhist

973
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,000
monasteries in the middle of nowhere

974
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,000
and the monks are all sitting around

975
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,920
chanting

976
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,560
and you know i'm i'm i'm a i'm a white

977
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,640
guy from vermont what do i know but i

978
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,240
sit down and i just sort of you know

979
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,400
close my eyes and sort of try and absorb

980
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,680
what it is they're up to and it's

981
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,760
incredibly powerful and compelling and

982
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,480
mesmerizing over time and as it turns

983
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:19,200
out the central chant in buddhism goes

984
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,240
like this

985
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,160
and i'll put up my fingers to indicate

986
00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:25,680
the seconds that go by ready oh money

987
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,100
podmion

988
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:28,560
[Music]

989
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,190
10 seconds

990
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,200
and you can find a prayer or a chant or

991
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,520
a mantra just like that

992
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,760
in every major religious tradition so

993
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,760
what this suggests to me alex is that

994
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,040
religion actually the part of part of

995
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,720
the development of the religious

996
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:51,280
traditions that undergird so much of our

997
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,640
human experience

998
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,280
was to remind humans

999
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:57,920
to optimize themselves beginning with

1000
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,920
the most fundamental thing that we do

1001
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:01,440
which is breathe

1002
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:05,359
i i love all that but in a big butt

1003
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,480
the other purpose of religion is exactly

1004
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,800
what we've been talking about this whole

1005
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,440
show it's about social engineering it's

1006
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:15,680
about a control mechanism it's about a

1007
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,480
more effective means to

1008
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,119
get what i want out of my population

1009
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,680
than sticks and swords and unless we're

1010
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,359
willing to dive into that and unless

1011
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,680
we're willing to separate that now 2000

1012
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,720
years later then we're going to be

1013
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,599
we're going to be susceptible to

1014
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,520
the game that ferrari is playing in

1015
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,079
those clips that i said which is lead

1016
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,800
you in let me lead you in with all these

1017
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,720
things that are true and let me get you

1018
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:45,200
this is persuasion this is sales this is

1019
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:49,520
what i used to do in business

1020
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,119
i get you to say yes yes yes and then i

1021
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:55,839
hit you with and jesus died on the cross

1022
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,880
for your sins and resurrected 2 000

1023
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:01,599
years changed history son of god do what

1024
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:05,040
the i say and you're like yes yes

1025
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,280
yes christian apologetics is part of

1026
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,400
this

1027
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:13,760
issue that we need to deconstruct if we

1028
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,640
are going to have this spiritual

1029
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,520
freedom independence that we're seeking

1030
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,640
then we can't just sit side by side with

1031
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,280
the buddhist monks and say hey that's

1032
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,040
great and like we all like to do then

1033
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,119
pat him on the back and say will you go

1034
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,440
your way and i'll go mine but what i

1035
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,720
really think is my way is best we're

1036
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,560
going to have to get to some core

1037
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,520
understandings of what it means to be a

1038
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,560
spiritual being independent of these

1039
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,760
traditions that are are just nonsensical

1040
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,760
from a logic and a reason standpoint

1041
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,440
what do you think i know i'm punching

1042
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,359
pretty hard here no i i really

1043
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:52,960
appreciate i really appreciate your

1044
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,599
critique and and for me and i wrote this

1045
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,000
in the last chapter of the yak book so

1046
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:00,880
far called um so so each chapter of the

1047
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,400
yak book suggests a yak-like quality

1048
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,040
that we humans would do well to imitate

1049
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:08,720
and the last chapter in the book so far

1050
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,079
chapter 11 is called stay spirited

1051
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,079
and at the root of the word spirited and

1052
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,319
at the root of the word spiritual

1053
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:18,880
is the latin spira which means to

1054
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,480
breathe so i am much more comfortable as

1055
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,720
i think you are alex not talking so much

1056
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:26,480
about religion

1057
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:27,280
but

1058
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,440
about matters spiritual so we respire we

1059
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,760
breathe again and again

1060
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:34,560
we

1061
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:42,400
together as humans in conjunction with

1062
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,040
the rest of the living planet and we

1063
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:47,839
inspire what does it mean to inspire

1064
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,359
someone else it means to energetically

1065
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,359
in their presence breathe in such a way

1066
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,280
that they want to

1067
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,200
take you in

1068
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:00,400
right someone who inspires if you

1069
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:01,520
think think of your own experience

1070
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,240
whoever you find inspirational alex is

1071
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,839
somebody who whose breath you want to

1072
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,520
draw in is sort of the meaning of that

1073
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,440
word inspire which i love

1074
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,000
and humans again we're at our best i

1075
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,839
think when we are in the business of

1076
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:16,800
helping each other optimize to become

1077
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,040
the best humans we can be not just body

1078
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,880
not just mind

1079
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,520
but spirit as well which as the quantum

1080
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,440
phys physicists and the mystics have

1081
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,280
said forever and the scientists are

1082
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:31,200
catching up cannot be separated

1083
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,079
ultimately mind and body and spirit

1084
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,319
so again this is a grand mystery with a

1085
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,480
capital m and to pretend that we can

1086
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,880
understand it number one

1087
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:41,920
and

1088
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:45,200
reduce it in a reductionist way

1089
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,520
to language or mathematical equations or

1090
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,920
a single virus in our bodies or a single

1091
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,079
greenhouse gas in the sky

1092
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:55,040
it is incredibly dangerous

1093
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,480
we're tampering with we're tampering

1094
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,560
with the mystery

1095
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,960
and again we'll we'll have to push rob

1096
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,119
in a minute to tell you how you're going

1097
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,480
to be able to

1098
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:06,560
get this book and have a chance to read

1099
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,520
it and it's again beings human a most

1100
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,240
miraculous conspiracy but one thing i

1101
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,000
love about the book and you can tell

1102
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:16,319
from rob he is

1103
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,839
so well versed and such an agile thinker

1104
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,119
on just

1105
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,680
all these diverse topics that he weaves

1106
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,000
together in a very meaningful way and i

1107
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,480
say that as a segue to talk about

1108
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760
another part of the book that i thought

1109
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,960
was just

1110
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,319
really really

1111
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,200
interesting and incredible and inspiring

1112
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,680
and it's about page 50 you say to be

1113
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,480
clear our brains do not process

1114
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:43,520
retrieve or store memories our brains

1115
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:47,440
are not computers in fact storytelling

1116
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,200
is an embodied energetic phenomenon as

1117
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:53,280
ancient mystics and cutting-edge

1118
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:54,800
neuroscientists

1119
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:58,640
both tell us so i want you to talk you

1120
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,000
you again are with just a few words

1121
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,040
and in a kind of provocative way

1122
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,960
challenging how we understand

1123
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,480
storytelling

1124
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,079
so let's talk about that for a minute

1125
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,319
what's your spin on that

1126
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,760
yeah so

1127
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:15,680
we know from studying the way that the

1128
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,280
body communicates with the brain

1129
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,920
that that information travels in our

1130
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,240
bodies electrochemically number one

1131
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,560
we're all beings of frequency we are

1132
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,480
bioelectric

1133
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,400
creatures of resonance and not just

1134
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,400
humans but all living things are

1135
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,440
connected

1136
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,400
uh via the power of what some would call

1137
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,480
back in the day electromagnetism or

1138
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,400
electromagnetic frequency what have you

1139
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,280
which by the way is a much forgotten

1140
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,560
phenomenon in our age of materialistic

1141
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,040
science where we're lumbering robots to

1142
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,640
quote richard dawkins or we're just

1143
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,680
clumps of cells and you know to your

1144
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,680
back to your question about stories and

1145
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,079
and how we process them again if we

1146
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,520
begin with the breath 20 to 25 000 times

1147
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,720
a day and our breath is a powerful way

1148
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,599
of influencing our not just our body but

1149
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,839
our mind and our spirit as well

1150
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,760
and we think about the role of in

1151
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,960
formation

1152
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,640
a word we kind of throw around you know

1153
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:16,160
i need more information about covet i

1154
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,680
need more information about climate

1155
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,480
change

1156
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,319
what we mean when we say that alex quite

1157
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,880
literally is the the stuff

1158
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,960
the stories that we breathe into our

1159
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:27,520
bodies that literally form form our

1160
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,319
bodies our minds and our spirits because

1161
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,480
we're learning from our understanding of

1162
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,040
how the body communicates with the brain

1163
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,680
that most of this communication actually

1164
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,800
occurs from body up to brain

1165
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,440
not from brain down to body

1166
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:46,880
so literally the stories that inform us

1167
00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:49,599
alex are not they don't happen up here

1168
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,560
in this

1169
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,079
the most complex living thing in the

1170
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,000
known universe the human brain they

1171
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,560
actually happen as part of a much more

1172
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,160
holistic

1173
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,960
moment by moment experience and we all

1174
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
know this when we're in the presence of

1175
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,560
other people who are

1176
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,079
inspiring

1177
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,640
storytellers charismatic

1178
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,319
storytellers

1179
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,880
they can inspire in us hope

1180
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:15,680
or fear this is why the covatopian

1181
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,160
narrative the the leveraging of this

1182
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,960
story of this virus has been

1183
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,599
weaponized it's taken

1184
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,839
what we humans do best

1185
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,599
to collaborate flexibly in large groups

1186
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,599
around shared stories it's provided a

1187
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,720
very powerful very scary narrative this

1188
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,079
coveted narrative

1189
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:36,720
and weaponized that story against us

1190
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,400
because we humans respond

1191
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,839
informationally we respond to the

1192
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,839
stories that we're constantly being

1193
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,760
presented with

1194
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,160
and what i thought was particularly

1195
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,240
insightful and again you do this in a

1196
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:52,319
few words so i really want to pull this

1197
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:53,760
out of you i don't know if we can do it

1198
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,800
today

1199
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,240
but you connect that word stories which

1200
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,160
we've all heard kind of a million times

1201
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,720
and how we relate to stories to

1202
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,319
epigenetics

1203
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,400
to energy work

1204
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,359
to and then i'd connect it to like dr

1205
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,400
jeffrey shorts ucla ocd

1206
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,720
expert who did

1207
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,280
this extensive work with mindfulness

1208
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,960
meditation

1209
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:21,119
as a cure for

1210
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:23,640
or to relieve the symptoms of

1211
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,160
obsessive-compulsive disorder and he was

1212
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,119
successful at it but the way that he was

1213
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:31,839
successful at it was to show that that

1214
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,240
mindfulness meditation

1215
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,760
remapped

1216
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,480
physically the structure of the brain

1217
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,240
which now creates this chicken in the

1218
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:42,319
egg problem which we all know if we have

1219
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,079
this kind of expanded understanding of

1220
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,240
consciousness is

1221
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,559
i think therefore i am or i am therefore

1222
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,040
i think is becomes a real kind of

1223
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:53,119
question so

1224
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,440
dive deeper into what the story is doing

1225
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:00,319
well i yeah i'm not sure that i can

1226
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:03,599
prove that i do think however though

1227
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,559
that

1228
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,040
what we're learning certainly from our

1229
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,040
study of

1230
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,559
breath work and its impact on

1231
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,599
various bodily systems the autonomic

1232
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,760
nervous system the circulatory system

1233
00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:21,040
the respiratory system right up into our

1234
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,119
brains and sort of our entire sort of

1235
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,800
nervous system all the way out to every

1236
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,720
living cell in our bodies

1237
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,200
that how we breathe

1238
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,680
alex moment to moment and we should tie

1239
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,920
this into consciousness too and and i

1240
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,920
need your help with this but how we

1241
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,920
breathe moment to moment and the the

1242
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,160
habits that we cultivate

1243
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,040
around how we breathe our way through

1244
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:45,119
the world that influence not just our

1245
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,240
bodies

1246
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,440
but our mind and our spirit as well

1247
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,960
these habits of breath inform us

1248
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:56,160
and the stories that we breathe in also

1249
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,599
inform us and when these stories that we

1250
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:00,880
breathe in

1251
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,630
when there is let let me put on my

1252
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,960
propaganda professor hat on for a minute

1253
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,640
when these stories that we breathe in

1254
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:13,200
these sort of one-sided narratives let's

1255
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,000
say

1256
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:15,920
these forms of propaganda when they

1257
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:19,839
continually inform us over and over and

1258
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:22,800
over again our mind and our body and our

1259
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,079
spirit begins to take on

1260
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,119
the characteristics the reactions to

1261
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,520
that particular story

1262
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,040
and this is back to religion i think

1263
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,040
what the ancients understood is if you

1264
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,520
can present a civilization with powerful

1265
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:40,079
stories of human optimization

1266
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,119
right

1267
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,640
and i agree with you about this is a

1268
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,480
form of social engineering we have to be

1269
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,480
careful here but

1270
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,720
if we can figure out ways individually

1271
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,440
and collectively to encourage each

1272
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,520
of our fellow humans to optimize

1273
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,200
themselves through the sharing of these

1274
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:58,079
stories through conspiring together

1275
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,440
that's what our friends are doing with

1276
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,079
the great reset you don't realize it rob

1277
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,200
but this is for your betterment you will

1278
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:07,920
be better you will be happier and better

1279
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,280
so no i'm not on the wagon here i think

1280
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,480
that there is

1281
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,359
that

1282
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:16,480
new england toughness of we must follow

1283
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,920
we must seek the truth at all cost and

1284
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,440
we already know from epgenetics that

1285
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,800
those stories are passed on whether we

1286
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,510
yeah and to your point about you know

1287
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,040
this is exactly right what the

1288
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:30,720
transhumanists are doing they're they're

1289
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,040
they're harnessing our

1290
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,680
informational

1291
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,240
predilections shall we say alex to try

1292
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,880
and tell a compelling story to push our

1293
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,200
species in directions i do not think and

1294
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,240
i believe you do not think we should go

1295
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,720
and so what do we have to tell a better

1296
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,119
story i guess alex and i know you're

1297
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,720
familiar with the work of rupert

1298
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:54,319
sheldrake because the introduction to

1299
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,599
your last book

1300
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,680
you know his theory of morphic resonance

1301
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,000
which i bring up in my book a little bit

1302
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,200
um is one perhaps

1303
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,800
explanation

1304
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,800
for this phenomenon that you're trying

1305
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
to tease out of our conversation here

1306
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,040
how how do we

1307
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,319
how do we pass on in formation

1308
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,720
generation to generation

1309
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,640
that is going to continue to help humans

1310
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,240
to optimize

1311
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:23,200
and not fall prey to whatever social

1312
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,480
engineering whether it's organized

1313
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,520
religion

1314
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,359
whether it's the transhumanists which i

1315
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,960
would argue is a form of organized

1316
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,240
religion right

1317
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,280
this is this is the challenge before us

1318
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,480
and i think

1319
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,400
the first thing we must do or a first

1320
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,680
thing we must do is learn how to breathe

1321
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,640
here now i like to say

1322
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,079
right to use

1323
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,800
our innate capacities for human

1324
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,760
self-optimization

1325
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:50,880
really

1326
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,200
toughen you to set it toughen ourselves

1327
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:56,079
up body mind and spirit right so we can

1328
00:52:03,270 --> 00:51:59,200
cultivate curiosity we can cultivate

1329
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,280
compassion we can cultivate conviction

1330
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,119
and we can cultivate the hardest of all

1331
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:06,640
when we go public

1332
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:09,760
we can cultivate courage right literally

1333
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,960
that that that rage of the heart that we

1334
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,599
are a member we are all members of a

1335
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,200
species

1336
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,160
that must be defended in this moment

1337
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:22,400
rather than subject ourselves to this

1338
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,069
well that might be an awesome way to

1339
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,920
wrap it up but there's one other thing

1340
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,760
we're going to bring to that is rob is

1341
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:34,000
coming out to san diego and we're going

1342
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,440
to jump in the

1343
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:36,400
cold

1344
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,880
it's called ice is nice

1345
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,720
we're going to have that exchange we're

1346
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,000
going to have that exchange of

1347
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,800
information so stay tuned everybody

1348
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,720
there's there's more to come and we're

1349
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,920
probably going to do

1350
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,480
a another show with brandon bring him

1351
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,800
back into this mix as well again i hope

1352
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,880
you've enjoyed you know this

1353
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,280
great guy such an interesting guy the

1354
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:01,760
book tell us about how people are going

1355
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:05,200
to be able to get this book beings human

1356
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,680
a most miraculous conspiracy

1357
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,079
you got me a pre-release copy how are

1358
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,640
people going to get the official thing

1359
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,319
yes for now the book is available for

1360
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,280
free read at uh my website it's dr rob

1361
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,520
williams.com thanks for putting the the

1362
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,680
link up there just go to the blog

1363
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:23,599
you can read it there on issue which is

1364
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:24,559
a

1365
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,240
just interested in in

1366
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:34,400
being as useful to team human as i can

1367
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,599
be so

1368
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,800
read it share it spread it around

1369
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,880
most importantly i hope we'll listen to

1370
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,880
one another and

1371
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,680
share

1372
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,000
information and really hold space for

1373
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,680
each other right now alex because it is

1374
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,040
a very strange moment for team human and

1375
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,240
we need all of our best

1376
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,760
all of our best breathing together all

1377
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,599
of our best conspiring to

1378
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,559
to to uh gird our loins as i like to say

1379
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,839
for uh for this strange moment my friend

1380
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,640
awesome awesome well terrific rob thanks

1381
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,720
again so much we'll we'll be in touch i

1382
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,040
look forward so much to meeting you in

1383
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,200
person so take care alex i look forward

1384
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,599
to meeting you in sunny san diego and uh

1385
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:16,960
thanks for having me today and we'll

1386
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:19,760
continue the conversation on the best

1387
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,440
coast

1388
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:23,119
thanks again to rob williams for joining

1389
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,839
me today on skeptico the one question i

1390
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:27,839
t up from this interview

1391
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,880
do you think the transhumanist agenda is

1392
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,079
as it was framed up in this show

1393
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,240
or is that just a head trash story that

1394
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,359
we're creating let me know your thoughts

1395
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,240
love it when really really smart people

1396
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:44,880
join me in the skeptical forum for real

1397
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,799
conversations i'm waiting for you over

1398
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,000
there

1399
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,319
so that's gonna do it for this one

1400
00:54:54,810 --> 00:54:53,040
until next time take care and bye for

1401
00:55:08,410 --> 00:54:54,820
now